Stanley, I just attempted to point out that the energy has to come from somewhere. And you attempted to say that it comes from the battery. Well sure it does! But what happens when you do not recharge your battery? Well suddenly there is not more stored energy in it and your little Hydrolysis reaction can no longer work. Solution - the alternator in your car draws rotational power from the engine and turns it into electric power.

You CANNOT get something for nothing. Think an alternator’s draw is insignificant? My 70amp alternator draws about 2HP. A modern alternator draws over 5HP. Any amount of power the draws must be added to that. It is significant enough where BMW is putting larger batteries in their cars to reduce the time the alternator needs to be on which in turn saves gas. Consider that while cruising at highway speeds your are only using 20-25HP. You now want to bring that to 30-35HP, a 40 to 50% increase in needed power. Then factor in the inefficiencies of the ICE and it is even high losses. I am not saying that this will negatively impact your fuel millage, I am saying that it is probably not worth the investment. Someone before me figured out some fiancees of the situation but left out set up costs. Either your time or your money paying someone else to install it.

And you will NEVER break the max. efficiency of an ICE, no matter what games you attempt to play with the fuel/air ratio.

If you would disclose who you worked for for some many years in R&D that would be great.

EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) does absolutely NOTHING to improve fuel economy! It is a technology to reduce emissions by running burt fuel/air back into the cylinders to ensure a complete and more ideal burn of the exhaust gasses.

and relying on the big companies to do everything for us is ridiculous. I think the point of this blog is to show how UNTRUE that is. Big companies have one thing in mind - What next quarters numbers look like.

Oh, and your MPG is not effected by temperature or altitude as today’s cars (going back to the early 80s… anything with any type of fuel injection really) have Intake Air Temperature (IAT) and Altimeter sensors for metering how much fuel and how much air should be put in the car at any altitude and air temperature. Your max power will decrease slightly, but MPG will not change in any discernible manner unless you are still sporting a carburetor in which case I must ask why you brought that to a discussion on efficiency?

Jim

What was done was that when a small quantity of HHO was added to a very lean mixture, the H2 and 02 became free radicals and fully migrated into the combustion mixture and allowed a more complete burn with much lower emissions.

Use as a complete fuel doesn’t seem practical, again, as stated by others, because of the conversion energy requirements. It would seem to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

I believe the address for this information is http://www.paneacauniversity.com I’m not sure of that address, or the spelling, so a Google search is probably in order.

My point being say our atmosphere was made of argon? a gas motor would not work at all, right? Hook up the HHO devise in this circumstance could combustion take place? resulting in an infinite power increase over no reaction at all. I don’t think this Devise can work burning its bi products as a standalone fuel source and be efficient. But I think Bettering the atmosphere side of the equation of the air fuel combustion reaction COULD result in a better burn adding more power or mpg. I can change the equation of the reaction taking place in my motor with additives like nitrous of water-methanol injection, and the result is more power. (but yes I am Adding stored Fuel) but wait…

I currently (like ten of thousands of other motor heads) Inject Water with a 30 methanol into my motor, I see 195hp gain on a 180 hp 2.0l motor when injecting water/meth mix. I still see a HP increase when just injecting pure water!!!!! All your old school Hot Rodders who’ve played with Superchargers now what I’m talking about. I know why this is possible. I’m lowering the chamber temps and increasing the compression ratio of the motor (water doesn’t compress like Gasses do ) So all chemist you need to look at all the variables .

Your right, in a test tube this doesn’t work but in a motor it might. look at all the variables.

Whose to say God gave us the most efficient atmosphere to burn gasoline in?

I get better gas mileage in the summer but make more power in the winter, I also make more power at sea level? Temperature, pressures are some variables to the MPG question. look at everything they are doing. not just the equations of this stupid device with a match.

My other point…. Has anyone ever analyzed the tailpipe emissions of a car equipped with this to see if the output is indeed ‘different’, meaning a meaningful reaction is taking place?
or to see just what the emissions are?
The auto makers can make REALLY High mpg cars, but they cant make them comply with EPA emission standards. (Chinese made scooters that get 80mpg but pollute more than a 100 suv’s, http://wweek.com/editorial/3240/7867 .)

what if I generated electricity off my brakes to split water?

http://www.water4gas.com is one site that shows how to put things together.
I drive a Nissan Titan and everytime I put gas it costs me $100. If it would save me $20-$30 on each fill-up I would probably spend $200 to get this system.

Of course all their claims on the website cannot be taken as a fact. I would have to see one installed, drive the car and see how much money it saves. No company offers money back if your efficiency does not go up and most companies sell only Info on how to make your own. No mass production from any big name company yet.

Why doesnt any big company make it?
Too risky. They would have to sell it at $400-600 installed and if gas prices go down nobody will buy them, therefore all investment in the production line will go through the window.

My friend just got a system and will install it on a Toyota truck. I will let you know in two weeks how it works.

If you are going to change the world, change the world.

Jim